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Home Theology Evolution vs. Creationism is a non-discussion
Evolution vs. Creationism is a non-discussion
Written by Division by Zero   
Saturday, 25 September 2010 22:00

There's a lot to to about the discussion between Evolution and Creationism. I always stay out of this debate. Why? Because I think this is a non-discussion. It's a discussion between two epistemologies and as a postmodern thinker one truth doesn't win from the other. Both forms of truth can be equally true at the same time.

Truth
What's true an what is not is always up for debate. In the view of post-modernism truth is subject to context and language. What's true in one context is false in another.

Science
What's truth in science. Science has two ways of determining of what is true. The first one is empirical research. Finding out how things work (and what's true) by testing it and using (all) our senses in these tests. The second one is theories. Theories are true if they work, as long as they work and as long as there isn't a better theory. This pragmatical form of truth works for science.

Religion
Religion find the basis for truth in different sources. For example in holy books or in tradition. What is true may be seen as unchangeable, but will vary over the years and between cultures. In most cases the essential core is the same.

How can both science and religion be right
Religion and science aren't mutual exclusive. Religion gives meaning to live. Actually all meaning-systems do. Religion doesn't help us with building a microwave oven. Science is pragmatic insearching how the world around us works. Science is unable to give meaning to our lives. In the debate between the Evolution theory and Creationism we have to keep this in mind. If we use science to give meaning to our lives we are on the wrong path, this is impossible. If we use religion to pragmatically test how the world works, we are on the wrong path.

If I'm in the context of my church the Evolution theory can't do anything for me. If I'm studying Biology, Creationism isn't helping me. Both are true, equally, but depending on their context.

 

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+1 # Rem 2010-10-23 16:05
I've always liked the 3rd option of defining truth in science: If everything else is false, the one that remains MUST be true". I think this is a combination of both and in argument, the most fun to defend in my opinion.

For religion I'd look for truth on a deeper, perhaps meta level. While religion has many traditions, books and teachings, the only truth that really matters is what I perceive or believe to be true. My truth can (and generally must be, unless we're talking about epiphanies, visions or deep insight on a philosophical level) influenced by the traditions, books and teachings, but it's what I take from it that become my truth.

I find the last part a bit too defined for my own taste. I would say science can influence the meaning to life just as religion can influence the world even just perhaps by bringing the right people together to spark an idea.

Science without relgion is empty; religion without science is lame.
-Albert Einstein

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0 # Bas 2010-10-24 14:30
Thanks for your post!

The third option you mention is implied by the second option I mention. The one that remains, when all others fail, is the one that works. The way you describe is has a problem to it though (I must say I like the 'Murphy's law' feel of your description). The problem is that in most cases (empirical and theoretical) there are multiple ways the define or explain a scientific finding and all of these ways have there own downside.

The way you perceive religion is often called the supermarket-model. This model pictures a supermarket with all religions as products where you can shop en put parts of religions in your basket to form a new whole.
This look on religion assumes that all religions basically are the same thing (see one of my post on this subject: dib0.nl/.../...). Also, this view assumes that all religions have a different look on the same truth. Therein lies out difference of opinion. Both your description of science and your description of religion rest on the same assumption that there is one general and universal truth. This is the truth we all try to know through science or religion.

The existence of such a truth is denied by post-modernism. Well... actually such a truth may well exists, but we humans are unable to achieve it, therefore the existence is rendered irrelevant. The point I tried to make in my post is that truths with different background (epistemologies ) cannot go in to a discussion with each other. Arguments in one religion on a subject are irrelevant in the context f another religion. Argument from a scientific theorem are irrelevant in the context of art. And vice versa. All these types of traditions have their own unique truth.

This is where your last remark comes in. I understand that the conclusion can be a bit too rigid. It's not that I don't think these different truths are able to learn from each other. My point was solely that arguments from one epistemology are irrelevant in another epistemology. Post-modernism sees these differences as enriching (to which I wholeheartedly agree). Difference in traditions, groups, cultures, people and ideas lead to a situation I which we can learn from each other. Differences lead to creativity. Creativity in thinking and acting. This is where the influence, you are talking about, lies. And influence in this way is a good thing.

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